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Poster: stratocaster Date: May 8, 2013 8:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: TDIH Barton Hall 1977

May 8th, 1977

Some interesting tidbits about 05-08

1. This was a Mother's Day show
2. It was snowing when folks exited the hall
3. The first set is longer than the second set

Personally, I would rank this as the best show of 1977. I've tried other shows on for size as the best show and it doesn't quite feel right, sorry 10-29, 09-03 and 06-09...I find it difficult to make a broad generaliziation about Dead music, preferring to rate shows and songs in their comparative era, so Barton Hall could be called the best show from the post retirement Keith and Donna era and I wouldn't fight you on it...the trump card that 05-08 has over other shows is the colossal Morning Dew, however everything they played that night is top shelf, particularly TLEO, Brown Eyed Women, Dancin, Scarlet>Fire, Estimated, St. Stephen, super dense NFA, the aforementioned Dew and even a hot Saturday Night.


http://archive.org/details/gd1977-05-08.sbd.cantor.sacks.266.shnf

Set 1

New Minglewood Blues
Loser
El Paso
They Love Each Other
Jack Straw
Deal
Lazy Lightnin' ->
Supplication
Brown Eyed Women
Mama Tried
Row Jimmy
Dancing In The Street

Set 2

Scarlet Begonias ->
Fire On The Mountain
Estimated Prophet
Saint Stephen ->
Not Fade Away ->
Saint Stephen ->
Morning Dew

Encore
One More Saturday Night

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Poster: Taper Corey Date: May 8, 2013 1:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH Barton Hall 1977

is it just me? but imo i think this show is over rated. dont get me wrong great show one of the best for the decade. i just cant say it is the best dead show ever...

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Poster: DeadEncore Date: May 8, 2013 5:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH Barton Hall 1977

The biggest debate of all is why try to define one show as the greatest. Luckily for Dead fans there were so many and even on somewhat weak nights they usually had moments that simply had you in awe.

As far as Barton Hall, it was undoubtably an astounding show. The band was in the zone, they had a night that had ebbs and flows like a great fiction novel. Having listened to this show many many times it still has the ability to wow me. There are only a few nights that I honestly crave to listen to, when I've not played it for a while and with the proper volume (very loud) blows me away.

I have others that I can't wait to get back to with the same excitement, but this one is truly special. Like most of you who follow this thread and listen reguarly to the band, I'm guessing you drift to years or periods where you debate in your mind if this was the pinicle. Right now 73 shows are blowing my mind. I'm not nieve to define this year as their best, as I'm almost sure that thought will change as it has done many times. My only consolation and great benifit provided by the band is that because there is just so much great music to listen to and they have provided us with the chance to keep revisiting a special time in music by a more than special band. The band left us with the terrible legacy of surrcumbing to drug addiction but at the same time created an addiction to their music that continues to thrive and build on their incredible legacy. Thanks guys and Donna.

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Poster: abilene22 Date: May 8, 2013 7:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH Barton Hall 1977

A decade or so ago (give or take) I stumbled upon the IA and found this forum. I had not listened to the Dead for a long, long time at that point so I searched the archive for a highly reviewed show, and you guessed it: Barton Hall popped up. Holy shit, I nearly crapped my pants, it sounded so good. Got my Dead groove back, and 5-8-77 remains a personal favorite. Yes, it just may be the best ever.

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Poster: sakanaband Date: May 8, 2013 9:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH Barton Hall 1977

Strat, try this one for size:

http://archive.org/details/gd1977-03-19.mtx.hansokolow.96856.flac16

This is my fave of 1977 by a mile. It sizzles with an exuberance and playfulness that is danged impressive and rarely matched in all GD history, I think. Like Barton Hall, each song is "top-shelf" and one of the best every played. This matrix is really wonderful and best experienced with good earphones for it to really shine the brightest.

To sample the aforementioned delights, just listen to the first 2 - 3 minutes of 'Eyes' it gives a preview of the joyous proceeding happening here. The UJB encore is nearly sacred in its greatness. Sorry to gush, but this show has become a sort of mission for me lately. Just gotta hear it to believe it!

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 8, 2013 12:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH Barton Hall 1977

Hey!!!??? No wonder I hate TS!

Was here, er, there, so, yes, I vote for THIS one as "BEST" ever...ahem.

Was also the first show I brought my kid sister to...

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Poster: stratocaster Date: May 8, 2013 9:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH Barton Hall 1977

very aware of this show, most folks might be initially drawn to 03-18 due to the full Terrapin Station and the first Fire and the classic Scarlet and Row Jimmy from 03-20, but 03-19 is the best show of the stand, one of the better shows of the year...I would have to listen to it again quite frankly, it's been awhile...

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: May 8, 2013 5:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH Barton Hall 1977

You'll always get varying opinions on whether Barton is the "best" show of '77 or not. Some still argue it's the best, period, but I agree comparing eras is almost impossible.

What's not impossible is recognizing that even if you don't think 5/8 is the best show of '77 (I don't), you must agree that it at the very least belongs in the conversation for such consideration. '77 is a hard year given how many truly outstanding shows there are to choose from, and even tho' I put 10/29 on the ultimate pedestal, I can easily concede that shows such as 5/8, 3/20, 5/9, 6/9, 9/3, 12/29, and hell, why not even 5/13 all could easily be argued for top honors.

My point being that Barton may not be "best" but it is certainly NOT overrated.

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: May 9, 2013 10:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH Barton Hall 1977


but isn't that the definition of over rated? Nobody is saying it is a bad show, just that it is NOT the greatest piece of music from the 20th century...as many claim. Over rated.

So if you are saying it is one hell of a great GD show - that is not over rating it.

But if you, like many others, claim it to be the single greatest event in R&R history, that would be over rating it - dramatically.

To me which ever GD show is the greatest - would be the single greatest event in R&R history.

I've had a copy of Barton since about 1982, always liked it but never worshipped it...now Harper College on the other hand I did worship back then...as I had a great board of it as well as tehe 1/22/78 show, which I consider to be many levels of magnitude better than 5/8.

But that is all opinion and no mater how many people hold an opinion it is still just an opinion.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: May 9, 2013 12:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH Barton Hall 1977

Maybe we're splitting hairs but my definition of overrated is a show that is in every objective way possible mediocre or worse yet is somehow exalted in terms of--if not BEST--then definitely ONE OF the best...and to my ears, Barton DOES have a reasonable seat at the table for "best of" consideration.

There's a reason beyond availability of the tapes that the show has been talked about so much over the years--things you can point to: the epic DEW, the very silky Scarlet>Fire, the super-funked out Dancin'...and the overall excellence of the show in terms of consistency and well-played set list w/almost no flaws.

It is only overrated in the sense of being "best ever"...and you'd be hard pressed to say ANY show--even my personal all time fave--isn't "overrated" if it's being called THE best out of 2,000+ shows they played.

Any show that comes up again and again (Harpur, 8/27/72, and many others) in "best of" discussions by a vast number of 'heads is likely not overrated.

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Poster: GibsonES335 Date: May 8, 2013 5:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH Barton Hall 1977

anyone who says this show is "overrated" needs to get off this board. Seriously guys it doesn't get much better than this. People have their favorites, but think about how many people have been turned on to The Dead by just this ONE recording, it's a cornerstone show for that reason! This was a peak show in May 77, the recording itself is perfect in a certain way other shows can't capture (we can thank Betty for that).

Another large reason this show is considered the best is because it was so heavily circulated amongst tapers and show-goers, odds are if you had a May 1977 show on tape, it was this one. Now with present day technology we can choose from every show uploaded which is considered "best" but Cornell 1977 holds that distinct reputation amongst Deadheads for reasons beyond some can see.

this show is the reason I'm such a dead junkie, I may not listen to it every day or mouth off to every deadhead about it being a must hear, but I'll never forget the impact it's had in my life as being the foundation of my passion of what can be achieved through music

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: May 8, 2013 6:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH Barton Hall 1977

To say that someone needs to be booted off this board because they think 5/8/77 is overrated is kind of ridiculous. I think it is overrated from the point that so many people talk about as the best. I personally love the show but to I don't even think it is one of the top 5 best shows they ever did. For me, 4/29/71 is the best, then Veneta 72 is up there, throw in some of those Europe shows, 9/27/72 from the Stanley, 3/1/69 from the winter land, many of the 73 shows as well. No please don't take this as a shot at 5/8/77, I do agree it may have turned on many people to the dead I don't know, it is an extremely excellent show but the garden show the night before and the buffalo show after are fantastic too. I just think to say someone needs to be thrown off the board because they believe 5/8/77 is overrated is kind of ridiculous, even Dick Lavatla thought it was a little overrated and thinks there were better shows from that tour, but to each their own and this is what this board is about being able to discuss shows and the dead! Thanks for the pics they were kind of cool

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Poster: grateful phishmon Date: May 12, 2013 6:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH Barton Hall 1977

Then I suppose Dick Latvala wouldn't be allowed to participate if he were alive. He thought 5/8 wasn't even among the best two dozen of 77, and thought 73 blew 77 away.

I personally don't think 5/8/77 is overrated; I think it's better by far than any 77 show I've heard. The power of that second set is just undeniable; you have a possibly best-ever Scarlet>Fire, a possibly best-ever St. Stephen>Not Fade Away>St. Stephen medley, and an unquestionably best-ever Morning Dew. But it's the flow of the set that just overwhelms you, wave after wave of increasing intensity, culminating in that colossal Dew. The first set is very strong as well, with Jerry in top form on every song.

It's so hard to talk about best ever shows, because you get into comparison of eras and styles. No question that even the best show of 95 is not as good probably as the worst of 77, but there were some shows in 1990 that in my opinion hold their own against almost any shows from any era. I tend to listen more often to 72-74 or 77 than to 68-71, because that's where my heart is,but there were some from the earlier period that just blow me away.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: May 8, 2013 5:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH Barton Hall 1977

i would certainly agree that Barton is a significant show in the GD canon, but to exclaim that anyone who considers it overrated must leave the board is ridiculous, especially considering that the GD reached the peak of their creativity by '72/'73ish ... i'll sample a half dozen tracks from 5/8 about once a year but it doesn't hold a candle to the best from the late '60s, early '70s

i'll save you having to reply: well that's just like your opinion, man.

thank you, Dude

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Poster: GibsonES335 Date: May 8, 2013 6:29pm
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the dude abides

saying they need to be "booted" off this board is merely a hyperbole, but people stating this show is overrated is ludicrous in my own opinion. You just can't deny what this show holds as a landmark to Dead history, thats what I'm really getting at

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: May 8, 2013 5:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH Barton Hall 1977

Thanks for the photos.

Just 'cos it is/was widely circulated does not make it the best. Justin Bieber's sh*t is even more widely circulated - does that make it better than this ? Maybe change "best" to "widely circulated" ?

Sure, if this was the first quality (performance/recording) of a 'Dead' show you (anyone) heard, then it is bound to make a major impression. And if it turned many onto this fantastic band then that's not a bad thing. Doesn't make it the best tho'.

But (IMHO) doesn't hold a light to 'Live/Dead' which was the first major Dead show (OK, a mixture from a couple of shows or more) that I heard. "IMHO", at the end of the day it's all subjective opinion. But many doesn't make it best.

Theoretically, a show that just one person has ever heard (unlikely I know) could be 'better' than a show heard by millions. Quantity doesn't trump quality.

'IMHO' - not wanting to start a war or anything. I knew I shouldn't have let myself get sucked into responding. If I was a fish I'd get hooked every time !!!!

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 8, 2013 8:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH Barton Hall 1977

Absolutely, TW; as one that was at a number of shows in 77, though only on the West Coast, I can say that even then I thought I missed out by not experiencing something like Live Dead...as I've admitted to JOTS, sure, I enjoyed them but actually thought the best live shows I got to see (74-82) were the few I saw in 75...esp the Sept one in GGPk.

To me it will forever be a "slam dunk" in the sense that even though all I had to compare were albums and ONE tape (we didn't have many pre 71 tapes back then), the band seemed past its peak in 77 (esp vocally, though I concede in various subtle ways Jerry or Phil might have played "better"), even if you just focused on raw energy coming through the recordings...

Nonetheless, I have to appreciate the views of folks such as Grendel, and BillyD that have made the case for 78 or 82 (can't go much beyond 85 and keep my attn however), given how much thought they've put into stating their case, marshalling evidence, etc., etc., etc.....

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Poster: BVD Date: May 8, 2013 6:12pm
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. My own personal moment of clarity came in 68' when I was 15 and somebody at a party handed me a pair of head phones and said listen to this and she dropped Live Dead on the turntable and I melted into that sweet suite.Barto Hall you say? O deep sigh.

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Poster: yesss! Date: May 8, 2013 11:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH Barton Hall 1977

Live Dead was recorded in 1969.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: May 9, 2013 8:02am
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he was mistaken, it was a Nancy Sinatra record he listened to, not Livedead...

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: May 9, 2013 12:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH Barton Hall 1977

Her version of "The Eleven" is especially strong (actually that would be pretty interesting !).
"These Boots are Made for Walking" might have worked for Brent ...
gam festival
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbyAZQ45uww